[Shotwell] Shotwell - Thoughts on work-flow and extensions

[David Velazquez]

Hi Bruno, in your message you mentioned some things that I think Shotwell
has coming down the pipes.

The first was geolocation, of course I can't find the ticket for it right
now but I'm almost positive Shotwell will eventually import location info
from photos that have it available. My evidence is this ticket:

http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1473

After all, can't display what it doesn't have, right? Is this what you're
talking about?

The second was adding simple annotations to pictures. I think that would be
covered by this ticket:
http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1573

Also, sorry for the ridiculous formatting of this. I'm still getting used to
the mailing list/quoting features of gmail and I'm getting confused!

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Bruno Girin <brunogirin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 08:16 -0700, Adam Dingle wrote:
> > On 05/23/2010 05:35 AM, Chris Lindsay wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Let me introduce myself, my name is Chris Lindsay and I would class
> > > myself as an Enthusiast Photographer.
> > >
> >
> > Great - we like enthusiasts.  :)
>
> Cool, I'll introduce myself too :-)
>
> My name is Bruno Girin and I am an amateur photographer and experienced
> Java developer and architect. I got interested in Shotwell for the same
> reason as Chris, namely that Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick is planning to
> replace F-Spot with Shotwell.
>
> So far, I registered on Trac, downloaded the trunk SVN and built
> Shotwell from source. I haven't really had the opportunity to try it out
> but I had a look through the source code to see what Vala looked like
> and how complex it was. And I must say that I am pleasantly surprised:
> coming from a Java background, Vala seems very easy to follow and the
> Shotwell source code is one of the clearest I've seen in a long time.
>
> I would be very interested in contributing to Shotwell development first
> by helping fix bugs and hopefully later contributing new features. What
> easy bugs would people recommend I look at to get started?
>
> I am also a member of the Ubuntu BugSquad team and am willing to help
> with the interaction between Ubuntu and Shotwell in triaging and
> resolving bugs.
>
> >
> > > Ok, sorry for my longish lead in, but yesterday I read Shotwell would
> > > replace F-spot on Ubuntu 10.10. So I start to investigate Shotwell
> > > again after dismissing due to a lack of Raw support, which I see is
> > > coming in 0.6!
> > >
> > > I am impressed with Shotwell and with Raw support and the other
> > > additions in the pipeline will be a very usable photo manager.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks!  I'll warn you now that the RAW support in 0.6 will be somewhat
> > limited.  In particular, you mentioned that you shoot RAW+JPEG.  In
> > Shotwell 0.6, if you import RAW and JPEG files from a camera together
> > they will simply appear side by side as two separate photos in your
> > library.  We hope to be able to treat RAW+JPEG pairs as a single photo
> > before long (see http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1772 ) but I currently
> > believe that feature will not be in 0.6.
> >
> > > My Workflow using Shotwell...
> > >
> > > 1, A days photographing in RAW + JPG
> > > 2, Upload images from camera via Shotwell
> > >       - Tag images
> > >       - define naming convention with date/ location etc. (extension)
> > >
> >
> > Right; this is http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1942 .
> >
> > >       - allow copies to be saved to external HD at same time for backup
> > > (extension)
> > >
> >
> > A reasonable idea; I've created a ticket for this at
> > http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1963 .
> >
> > > 3, Once imported images can be edited (non-destructively) within
> > > Shotwell or in Raw processing app (preferably if choice not tying user
> > > into a specific app, through settings, this could also be added as an
> > > extension)
> > > 4, Edited externally in for example Gimp. In this case a copy of image
> > > would be opened in external edit to preserve original. Edited image
> > > saved back into Shotwell as a revision of original.
> > >
> >
> > Right.  Shotwell 0.6 will allow you to open photos in an external
> > editor.  We're working on implementing this now.  You'll be able to
> > specify both an external JPEG editor (e.g. Gimp) and also an external
> > RAW editor (e.g. UFRaw) to use for editing photos.
> >
> > > 5, Finally edited images can be published to social networking sites,
> > > web based galleries or emailed etc.
> > >
> > > These are of course just my thoughts, but I believe this type of
> > > functionally would allow Shotwell to do what it does well, without
> > > trying to do everything poorly. As much as the majority of people only
> > > want an application which stores their images for easy review, basic
> > > edited and enhancements before publishing to their favourite social
> > > networking site or web based gallery. The addition of various more
> > > advance features in the form of extensions would allow advanced or
> > > users to still use and enjoy Shotwell as part of their work-flow.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks again for the feedback.  We really appreciate hearing about
> > people's entire workflow and I hope we can continue to improve Shotwell
> > to make it work well for you and other enthusiasts.  :)
>
> I have a very similar workflow:
>     1. Take pictures (mostly JPEG, sometimes RAW as well);
>     2. Connect the camera and load pictures onto my laptop;
>     3. Do basic corrections (stretch contrast, remove dust marks, etc);
>     4. Add tags and metadata;
>     5. Optionally, save a copy onto an external HDD (in particular when
>        I am travelling and can be away from home for several weeks);
>     6. When home, save a copy on a file server. That file server then
>        holds the master version of all my images and is backed up.
>        Ideally, I would like to be able to do that by having several
>        libraries: a local one on the laptop, a remote one on the
>        server;
>     7. Publish some of the pictures to Flickr or Facebook.
>
> Other features that I would be interested in but that are not on the
> Shotwell roadmap and would probably be better delivered as plugins or
> external tools:
>      * Create an HDR image from several identical shots that only
>        differ in exposure compensation;

     * Load data from a GPS device, synchronise against timestamps and
>        use GPS data to add geo-location tags to pictures;
>      * Add simple annotations to pictures.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruno
>
>
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